What’s the best way to not get invited back to dinner?

1. Spill red wine on the carpet.

2. Bring a 6-inch stack of photos from your just-completed family vacation.

3. Talk about excessive corporate influence in American democracy..

At The Story of Stuff Project, we’ve recently gotten a lot of comments from people who say: “I share your concerns, but I’m often not sure how to bring them up in conversations.” At a meeting last month, a man came up to me and said, “I love your films, but my friends aren’t talking about these things and every time I try to introduce these topics, I sound like a communist or a nag.”

Then last week, I was in a carpool and asked the other passengers if they were excited about the outpouring of people power in Wisconsin. A young woman actually put her hands over her ears and said “Stop! I can’t bear to talk about this kind of thing.” I was surprised: maybe it was her blue hair and lip piercing, but I just kind of figured she had an anti-authoritarian streak in her. I pushed, asking her why. She responded: “Because we can talk and talk, but nothing ever changes.”

OK, so it seems people are hesitant to talk about the really important issues of the day because it’s frustrating, it feels ineffective and sometimes, it’s lonely. It’s uncomfortable.

An ecologist friend told me that it is on the edge of ecosystem boundaries that the most exciting things happen. I think it’s the same with social boundaries: by stepping out to the edge of our comfort zone  – and then maybe even taking one step farther – we can make exciting things happen.

We’ve got to figure out how to move the kind of conversations we need to be having as a society from the margins to the center of public debate. And that means we need to embrace the discomfort that comes with that.

We’ve been grappling with this at The Story of Stuff Project ourselves. Last year, we made three films on pretty straightforward problems: the wastefulness of bottled water, toxic chemicals in personal care products, and the mounting problems of e-waste from all our discarded, unrecyclable gadgets. While those are all really huge problems, it’s not that uncomfortable to speak the truth about them. And we didn’t meet a lot of resistance – few people push back and argue that reproductive toxins actually do belong in sunscreen.

But while making those films, and working with the super-smart dedicated activists addressing those issues, something was gnawing at us. We knew that there are deeper, often unspoken, obstacles to solving these problems. We also knew that talking about those deeper issues is hard and uncomfortable, and if you persist you may not get invited back to dinner.

But we’re in this to win, which means not just changing our shampoo brand, but changing the dominant paradigm, the fundamental assumptions that drive our unhealthy, wasteful and unfair society. We’re not interested in making movies forever while environmental health hits all-time lows and the income inequity gap hits all-time highs. We want to win: to get toxics out of products, to reduce waste and to build an economy that prioritizes the well-being of the planet and people above everything else, including corporate profit. And we can’t do that without talking about uncomfortable issues.

So we stepped right into that space of discomfort. We made an animated film about the problem of corporate influence in democracy. Check it out, and if you want to join us, please share it with friends and then talk about it.

And since we’ve been asked for practical tips on starting these hard conversations, here are some lessons we’ve learned over the years.

Start talking by listening. Listen to what the group is already talking about and make connections. Tying issues of sustainability, justice and democratic engagement to topics that are already on people’s minds provides a more immediate connection to otherwise abstract ideas.  Are they teachers concerned about budget cuts at the local school?  Parents concerned about harmful chemicals in everyday products? Commuters sick of traffic jams and longing for clean fast public transportation?

Lead with your values. Although we may wear different clothes, eat different food and sometimes seem outwardly different from one another, virtually all of us on this planet share a solid foundation of good values. We all want clean air, healthy products and good safe jobs. We want happiness and security and love. And we want these for our kids and our neighbors’ kids too.  If we enter the conversation with those values, rather than by listing every corporate wrongdoing of the week, we may find more open minds and open hearts to make real connections with.

Be brave. Remember those who came before us, who weren’t afraid to raise those uncomfortable issues even when doing so risked losing their homes and jobs, sometimes even risked violence.  Think of Martin Luther King, Jr., who kept speaking out against racism, even after his life was threatened and home was bombed. Think of Rashida Bee and Champa Devi, two women survivors of the Bhopal disaster in India, in which a U.S.-owned pesticide company leaked toxic gas into the sleeping city, killing thousands including members of their families. They haven’t stopped speaking out for 25 years. The courage of these people to step right into that discomfort zone made our world better. Certainly we too can find the courage to keep raising these hard issues until we get to the other side of the discomfort, where the solutions can be found.

Now you tell us: How do you find the courage and the tact to bring up the tough issues we need to be discussing in your communities? We need to know, because we’re all still learning.

posted by Annie Leonard
March 16, 2011
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  • Jon

    I tried to talk about corporate influence in American democracy and I lost 10 Facebook friends.

    Just kidding. But I am having trouble getting FB friends to Like my page regarding this issue:

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Citizens-supporting-HJ-Res74/195979817100510

  • http://oilfilms.com Jon Goldman

    My film, OIL IN THE FAMILY is trying to move in a parallel way to your talking points. Talking, discussing and moving the elemental conundrum of our time is a major part of the point of the film. Of course I am still working on it, have been trying for three years to raise the money to do it, making some progress despite an unbelievably daunting undertaking saddled mostly be me. But at the core the ecologist’s notion of fringe/outward edges of the comfort bubble/ecosystem is where exciting things happen is largely true. That comfort zone’s mesmerizing control of all aspects of our lives, primarily accentuated by a discrete lack of engagement, makes the “ease” factor of discussion a small crack in the door of change. It is the one area of hope. It is the growth of community and the key to commonality ( not Communism). I had a meeting yesterday in NYC with another potential Executive Producer, and the story continues to evolve. It is, of course a boulder strewn road where progress, teammates, shooting schedules and support are all far flung. I am glad you seem to be having success for a number of reasons, not the least of which is your outreach, your subject matter, your drive and your affable presence. Thank you for your diligence.
    As a direct answer to your question about discussions in my communities, I try to stay engaged, both through filmmaking, broadening the online outreach of discussions ( I am in the process of relaunching the OILFILMS.COM website). I also travel to the remote communities affected by environmental racism and disaster, like Louisiana. I do it from the point of view of an artist capturing time, but also as a provocateur who raises the ugly, often very difficult questions. Like: How do we really account for the TRUE cost of energy? Now that market forces drive the cost of gas at the pump to $4+/gal, does it do anything other reflect the supply and demand aspects of consumerism? Would Sacrifice ( actually doing with less) be an integral part of that equation? And, when all is said and done (whenever that is) are our next avenues for energy/resource extraction any environmentally safer in the chain of cradle to grave for us?
    Of course I am trying to tell this from a personal place, someone who has benefited from mineral rights royalties but who has a deep-seated family-based environmentalism which has even landed some of the family in notorious spots ( My grandmother was on Nixon’s enemies list, e.g.) In any event I am glad SOMEONE is making this great important work available.

  • http://www.veebit.com Terri Persico

    Annie absolutely love your work and admire your talent at distilling the facts down in a digestible manner.

    I am the founder of a very early stage startup called Veebit (values based information tool), that will allow folks to make decisions aligned with their values.

    The issue you discuss in this post is at the heart of Veebit – we believe that folks are overwhelmed and often rendered inactive by the excessive amount of potentially subjective info available, and by the constant barrage of issue-based commentary.

    We’d love to discuss your work and ours. Please keep up the awesome film making – so valuable and such a pleasure.

  • moxie

    I agree fully, thanks.

  • Derek

    “Educating yourself is so depressing”, said by one of my colleagues today.

    So, to fight fire with fire, do we fight apathy with apathy?

    Due to my passionate conviction to my belief set, I’ve lost a TON of ‘friends’ and because I won’t stop provoking big topics like sustainability and citizen responsibility, even on polite terms.

    What I’ve come down to is you’re either Lonely and brilliant or Social and stupid.

  • ocean

    First off, it’s the people that are closest to you, that you see often, and that are familiar with you that will be most likely to listen to you.

    Start by asking a question and gauging interest. Such as, “Did you hear about the protests in Wisconsin? What did you think?” That way you’re leaving it open to them to start the conversation.

    You may end up going into a 30 minute conversation or you may give them a 2 minute overview of what happened in Wisconsin. The bottom line is that no one likes to be preached at. If people are open, there’s potential to teach and change. If they’re not open, then you’re knocking on a closed door.

  • Alice

    Although I am only 17, and I could not care less about politics, I am passionate about the story of stuff and have found ways of discussing these issues.

    A friend asked what book I was reading and so i explained and read out a section about the bhopal disaster. She was horrified and immediately googled it on her phone to find out more. It helps that the friend is studying Geography and loves trying to tell me that Global Warming is a natural thing and that we can make no difference.

    The section on PVC also moved me and when we were discussing what materials could be used for a product in a design lesson I began explaining everything I had learnt about PVC and that in most cases there are alternatives. The teachers were highly impressed and I may have looked like a total eco geek but at least it got my classmates thinking.

    I find the political parts boring and confusing (although I can see they are essential for change and would happily support movements for a healthier planet). What got me passionate was real storys, annecdotes and evidence of our ignorance so hopefully these things could inspire my friends too. (As long as I still slip in the occasional who’s hot and who’s not conversation hehe)

  • Jenna

    I work in non-profit and I feel like we deal with this every day. The most effective thing I’ve seen is to listen, and try to make the ideas meaningful to who you’re talking with. That way instead of feeling burdened with it it someone can pick the idea up as their own. Sounds good on paper, right? I find it’s pretty challenging in practice. Like when I try to talk to climate change deniers. Oy.

    Recently I was talking with some folks about bottled water and why it is ridiculous. There was general agreement, but then someone mentioned traveling. “The water in Dallas was terrible,” my friend said. “I couldn’t stand the taste. I had to buy bottled.”
    “But that bottled water is Dallas tap water,” I said. “It’s just been filtered. It’s the same water, except unregulated and at 1,000 the price.”
    Silence.
    They hadn’t thought of that. I didn’t push it, but I think the point was made.

  • Kim

    I love this! Lets have more action. Penticton in Transition is all about that. Things are never going to be the same. Peak Oil is here and we are going to need to “downsize” whatever that may mean/look to us. With the higher cost of food and gas we should be looking very seriously at solutions to be more resilient and grow our own local economies. One day that may be all that we have.I am tired of speaking to the converted and banging my head against the door with others. Cafe’ conversations are starting to take place in our Valley.And then I hope people start putting some plans into place.

  • http://forteller.net/ Børge / forteller

    I think that the tips being given here are very relevant to this discussion. I recommend you take a look.

    Also I especially recommend this talk by Phil Plait: Don’t be a dick. He talks from the perspective of a skeptic, but the exact same things can be said for any thing you want to persuade anyone about.

  • http://www.LevanaNaturals.com Beate

    I struggle with this constantly. I think it’s always challenging to suggest change because people understand it as criticism of their current behavior. When a specific topic comes up and I want to suggest alternatives, I try to share how I learned about this this and why I like it. More a ‘Hey look what I’ve discovered’ than a ‘well, but what you are doing is bad for you/the environment/society.

    And since I am known as the eco geek, I sometimes start the conversation with ‘Well, I as the eco geek use this product’.

  • http://studentsforbhopal.org Claire

    Hi Annie, great article on a hard-to-tackle question: how to we effectively bring difficult topics into our everyday lives? Thanks for mentioning the Bhopal activists :)

    All the best,

    Claire

  • Mayur Bhave

    This is good topic. I am vegetarian and talk about it with friends and relatives. It is difficult but I still bring the topic often. Let me try it here ;-) Can all of you become vegetarian? Please do not eat meat at all.

  • Rob

    Part of the issue of conversation is that people disagree. For example, my sister likes the idea of government health care, I can’t stand it. When we discuss it it can become difficult to keep our emotions level because we both feel we are right and the other is wrong and that it is an absolute necessity to convince the other of the fact. In order to preserve our relationship, we simply avoid those sorts of topics. Solution? In topics that can be discussed civilly, discuss them lots. Otherwise I believe relationships come first.

  • http://www.sanctuarymoon.co.uk/ ruth coupe

    thank you so much for this, I have been having a mini crisis of myself lately, where others have made passing comments about how I always have an opinion on everything. It kinda hurt, do I bore others with my going on about all the stuff I do, am I making more people not want to talk to me?, probably but I can’t stop because if I kept quite about the things that matter most then I would be betraying myself and I can’t do that and keep sane, so I will carry on regardless, haha.

  • http://www.myspace.com/recoveringstarwarsaddict Rick Panna

    I’ve had success getting people with quite different political views to change their lifestyles. As an example, on Xmas I’ve given people reusable shopping bags, an they’ve used them. Many Trader Joe’s stores give you a raffle ticket each time you come in with a reusable bag. (I try to keep my shopping down at Xmas, but my family exchanges gifts, and it’s an opportunity.)

    Also, many people I know get fed up with shoddy appliances with built-in obsolescence. Like many things, this crosses political boundaries. I’ve been telling people about a business near me that specializes in repairing stuff we’re encouraged to through out.

    Finally, most Americans (that I encounter) agree that buying U.S.-made products–as opposed to “made in China”–is a good idea. They may not “believe in” global warming or peak oil or care about sweat shops, but they understandably don’t like the loss of so much manufacturing in the U.S.

  • Mary Cunov

    I think linking to action/solution steps is crucial to ANY insight. If you take a step toward doing ONE thing, each day or each week—whatever is actually doable consistently—you will inevitably run into the fabric of other people actually doing things. What we do and how it feels is easier to share publicly than outrage. It’s almost an akido principle: take the energy coming toward you and move with it in a balanced, centered way Personally, I’m waiting for an akido master to run for office……

  • Em

    Forget about talking. Talk is cheap. Start DOING. Change your habits and your friends will see.

    I am reminded of the quote: “Be the change you want to see in the world.”

  • http://thatasianguywiththebook.posterous.com/ Phil

    thx for posting! now i can talk with my friends with no problem :D

  • Maya C.

    I really enjoy the storyofstuff.com, and I really wanted to share some ideas with my friends; but, it was hard to bring this kind of topics because it may bore the others. By reading this article, I think I can share some ideas with my friends with joy! You really helped me. Thank you!

  • http://waseem.kalaf@gmail.com waseem